Faithful of Southern Illlinois
Voice of the Faithful National Convention
Rhode Island Convention Center
Providence, RI
October 19, 2007
Voice of the Faithful and the Church: Where Do We Go From Here?
Richard P. McBrien
University of Notre Dame
I returned from doctoral studies in Rome in June of 1965. It was between the third and fourth sessions of Vatican II. Since then I have been given countless opportunities to speak to many different, mostly Catholic, audiences over a period of some forty-two years. Taking into account the broad scope of topics and the varied circumstances of those hundreds of talks, I can tell you that this evening’s address, which is happily a part of Voice of the Faithful’s fifth anniversary celebration, has been one of the most difficult and challenging to prepare.
Why so? Because I am aware that Voice of the Faithful has reached a crossroads, and that it is in the process now of trying to decide whether to continue on the road it has been on for these past five years or to move at this time in a new direction. I am also aware that there are different points of view, some strongly held, within the organization regarding this very question. I am not here this evening to throw in my lot with one side or another, but simply to offer my own reflections on the future of Voice of the Faithful and to do whatever I can to encourage you to continue to work together, in spite of any internal disagreements, for the good of the Church and in fidelity to Voice of the Faithful’s original mission.
That mission was clearly and forcefully articulated at the very outset by those who founded Voice of the Faithful almost six years ago in a church basement in Wellesley, Massachusetts. The leading force at the time was Dr. James Muller, a cardiologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. Dr. Muller was stunned, as were hundreds and thousands of other Catholics, by the revelations on the front pages of the Boston Globe in early January, 2002, of widespread sexual abuse of children and young people by some priests of the Archdiocese of Boston.
I had made it clear, however, in subsequent press interviews and in interviews on national television, that the scandal was not confined to Boston, that it was national and even international in scope. I also said, in language that the media readily understood, that it was a story that would not go away after a few days, that it was a story “with legs,†and indeed “the legs of a marathoner.â€
And so it has been, and so it will be for years to come, even if the most intense media scrutiny has subsided, with much of its attention now focussed on the multi-million-dollar settlements of lawsuits against various dioceses around the country and, to a lesser extent, on the reports of embezzlement of parish and diocesan funds by unaccountable pastors and by unaccountable lay employees.
We are going through a very bad patch in the history of the Catholic Church right now, both nationally and internationally. Our attention, however, must necessarily be focussed here, where we live. In the words of the slogan for Friends of the Earth, we have to think globally, but act locally. If we are to be “disciples in action,†as the convention theme proclaims, the action must be taken before all else in our own parishes, in our own dioceses, and in our own nation. Our hope is that our local efforts will ultimately affect for good the global Church itself.
How Voice of the Faithful came to be is a compelling example of how to act locally. So distressed was Jim Muller and so many others by the shocking and painful disclosures of sexual abuse by priests and then of the unconscionable and even more scandalous and reprehensible cover-up on the part of bishops and their aides, that Dr. Muller had stopped going to church for a brief period. He soon recognized, however, that a more constructive response to the crisis was required. Voice of the Faithful was–and still is--that constructive response.
Many other Catholics had reached that same point, but not everyone has responded in the same way as Jim Muller and his associates did. Many Catholics have, in good conscience, decided that they could no longer continue their active participation in the life of the Catholic Church, including even its Eucharist. Some of them have joined other churches and ecclesial communities within the Body of Christ. Others have followed a middle course, reducing their involvement in the Catholic Church, but not breaking away completely.
Still others–including many here this evening–have remained active members of the Church, even active members of predominantly lay organizations like Voice of the Faithful, hoping all the while that their efforts and the efforts of many others like them will eventually bear fruit for a better Church, a more open Church, a more accountable Church, a more faithful Church.
“Keep the faith,†Voice of the Faithful has urged us from its beginnings more than five years ago, but “Change the Church.†It is also the title of Jim Muller’s book about the story of Voice of the Faithful, published three years ago. “Keep the faith; change the Church.â€
During a visit to my office at the University of Notre Dame during the winter or early spring of 2002, Jim Muller sought my encouragement for the initiative that he and others in the Boston area had undertaken. He also asked for some advice. I gave him both.
My encouragement was full and heartfelt. Encouragement was easy to give, and it was given in generous measure out of admiration and also gratitude for what he and his close associates were undertaking on behalf of the Church and the victims and survivors of sexual abuse by priests.
For better or for worse, my advice was simple and straightforward: Voice of the Faithful should not attempt to duplicate the work of other fine lay Catholic organizations, like Call to Action. Voice of the Faithful’s agenda should be limited to the sexual-abuse crisis and to issues directly related to it. Such an agenda would be ambitious enough. Later I gave the same advice to Professor Jim Post, of Boston University, who succeeded Jim Muller as president, when he, too, came to Notre Dame for a visit.
I applauded Voice of the Faithful’s original goals when they were first articulated in 2002 and I applaud them still. First, “to support survivors of clergy sexual abuseâ€; second, “to support priests of integrityâ€; and, third, “to shape structural change within the Church.â€
There are some here and beyond this convention hall who have expressed acute disappointment over the absence of any survivors of sexual abuse as major presenters this weekend. Some have also protested the inclusion of one or another speaker on the convention program. I do not mean to be dismissive of such concerns, but no roster of speakers–and I have counted at least 80 individual presenters, panelists, and moderators on the program–no lengthy roster of speakers could possibly satisfy everyone.
Which is not to say that all of the critics are simply wrong. But we are all involved in a never-ending learning process. We should make our suggestions–and our complaints, if we have complaints--known to those who bear the burden of leadership–and it is a burden. Unlike politicians and corporate executives, your leaders and committee members derive no financial gain for the work they do on behalf of Voice of the Faithful, nor do they experience the sense of exhilaration that many in Government, in business, and in the Church feel when their hands are allowed to grasp the levers of power. If others are convinced that they can do the job better, they should present themselves for consideration.
But the process is not one of self-selection. If the Church were to ordain everyone to the priesthood who wants to be ordained, male or female, married or unmarried, I assure you that the Church would not be better off than it is now. Which is not to say, of course, that the present method of selecting our bishops and our priests is flawless. On the contrary.
But heretofore this evening I have been speaking in general about Voice of the Faithful, its founders, its original mission, its position now at a crossroads after just over five years in existence. The question that I have been asked to answer, or at least to try to answer, is in the sub-title of my address: “Where do we go from here?â€
Many of you are aware of, and recall, the article about Voice of the Faithful that appeared four months ago in The New York Times. The headline read: “Catholic Lay Group Tests a Strategy Change.†The hook for the story was the organization’s forthcoming announcement on July 2nd that it would be asking the Vatican to review the requirement of obligatory celibacy for priests of the Roman Catholic Church.
Please notice my emphasis on the adjective “Roman,†because there are literally thousands of married Catholic priests even today. They are not Roman Catholic priests, but they are validly ordained Catholic priests nonetheless, serving in the many non-Roman Catholic, Catholic churches of various non-Roman rites across the world and here in the United States as well.
There are also a few hundred married priests even in the Roman Catholic Church–ordained men who have come over to the Roman Catholic Church from the Anglican Communion primarily, but also from mainline Protestant traditions such as Lutheranism and Methodism. They have been re-ordained priests in the Roman Catholic Church, but without being required to live with their wives as brother and sister, that inscrutable arrangement devised for canonically invalidly married couples in the pre-Vatican II era. On the contrary, these new married Roman Catholic priests have been allowed to continue living with their spouses as husband and wife in the full sense of the words.
Indeed, for over half of the history of the Roman Catholic Church, priests and bishops, including the bishops of Rome itself, have been married. In two cases, popes were succeeded by their sons in the papacy. Innocent I succeeded his father, Pope Anastasius I, in the year 401, and Silverius succeeded his father, Pope Hormisdas, in the year 536, although their two pontificates were not consecutive. What is of great significance is that all four are recognized by the Catholic Church as saints.
According to the story this past June in The New York Times, Voice of the Faithful’s initiative with regard to the celibacy issue “represents a shift in [its] approach..., which has avoided raising such controversial issues.†The Times linked this development to the organization’s budget deficit and a drop-off in large donations.
A colleague of mine at Notre Dame, Scott Appleby, a member of our History department and director of our Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies, is quoted at the end of the article to the effect that, if Voice of the Faithful does not change course and become more confrontational, it will not attract attention or new members, and will fail to change anything. As you will see in a moment, I an not in agreement with that point of view.
Jim Post, your former president, was quoted in the same article as giving a reply similar to the one made famous by the late Senator from Vermont, George Aiken. When many in our Government were arguing forty years ago over the best way to extricate ourselves honorably from Vietnam–just as we are doing today with regard to Iraq–Senator Aiken said that we should just declare victory and leave. Jim Post didn’t quite put it that way, but he came close.
Voice of the Faithful has accomplished a lot in five years, Jim Post pointed out. Perhaps, he said, it should leave the field to other lay organizations who have a broader agenda for church reform. Even if “leaving the field†may yet come to pass, I believe that this is not the time to abandon the effort. Voice of the Faithful has indeed accomplished much during its first five years, but it can accomplish even more in the years ahead, if it has the will and the staying power.
I, for one, do not agree that Voice of the Faithful’s recent focus on obligatory clerical celibacy is beyond the scope of its original mission. Your current president, Mary Pat Fox, is right: celibacy does not cause a priest to become an abuser, but it is a factor–a factor, she said, in “creating this culture of secrecy that then caused the bishops to handle the crisis the way they did.â€
Having been interviewed many times by the press, I know that most of what you say to a reporter gets left on the cutting-room floor. I would only add–if Mary Pat Fox did not–that obligatory celibacy is also a factor because it severely limits the pool of potential priests. Can you imagine what kind of candidates we would attract to the U.S. Senate, for example, or to any other high-ranking political, corporate, or academic office, if a commitment to life-long celibacy were an essential, non-negotiable requirement?
In a pool of candidates for whom life-long celibacy is not a problem, there is bound to be a disproportionate number of gay candidates (not that I am opposed to gays in the priesthood as a matter of principle) and, what is more problematic, a disproportionate number of sexually immature or sexually dysfunctional candidates.
It is a matter of some significance that the sexual-abuse scandal has never hit the Catholic priesthood in the non-Roman, Eastern-rite Catholic Churches, all of which have married priests.
I should insist, however, that obligatory celibacy is not the only issue that is directly connected with the sexual-abuse crisis. Voice of the Faithful’s legitimate concern about priests and future priests, bishops and future bishops, goes far beyond celibacy alone.
Voice of the Faithful has also been rightly concerned with the accountability of bishops who have covered up abuses and transferred abusive priests from place to place without warning the congregations or even the pastors. In doing so, they exposed children and young people to further abuses, which sadly, tragically, and almost inevitably occurred.
Voice of the Faithful is–and should be–concerned with extending the legal limits for bringing criminal action and lawsuits for sexual abuses perpetrated many years ago. And because of its first two goals, namely, supporting survivors of sexual abuse and supporting priests of integrity–it should also be concerned with the whole process by which bishops are selected and later promoted within the hierarchy. I am pleased that this and some of the other issues I have just mentioned will be addressed in one or another of tomorrow’s break-out sessions
But there is another immediate concern that falls clearly within the parameters of Voice of the Faithful’s original mission. I am referring here to the whole process of vocational recruitment of candidates for the ordained priesthood, including the selection of diocesan vocation directors and the means they use to attract these candidates, the process of admissions to seminaries, seminary education and spiritual formation, and the screening of candidates for ordination: how is it to be done, and by whom?
Is it possible, however, to get anywhere on issues such as these without some measure of cooperation with bishops? I think not. The Vatican will ignore calls for the study of obligatory clerical celibacy unless there is a critical mass of bishops making the same appeal. Given the pattern of episcopal appointments and promotions, especially during the previous pontificate, the challenge of identifying such a critical mass of bishops is daunting indeed. But one has to start somewhere.
To use another cliché, you have to play the cards that have been dealt. The alternative is to leave the table and the game behind. But in this “game,†people suffer if no one advocates for them, if no organization like Voice of the Faithful keeps applying the pressure for on-going renewal and reform.
And so I say, much to the consternation perhaps of some here this evening, that Voice of the Faithful should not write off the bishops as a matter of principle or as a matter of course. We need to talk with them, even if the immediately positive results are limited or non-existent. After all, we–or many of us at least–criticize President Bush for not talking with Iran and Syria, and other countries in the Middle East with an interest in the constructive resolution of the acute problems facing us and the entire region in Iraq.
This diocese, for example, has a new bishop whose reputation is hardly that of a liberal or a progressive. But the local leaders of Voice of the Faithful welcomed Bishop Tobin to Providence and asked him–persistently–for an appointment. Nine months later they were granted one.
Mary Freeman, your national treasurer and chair of this convention’s planning committee, called or wrote the bishop every three months. In the meantime, she and her associates did their homework. They held meetings to which various diocesan speakers were invited and they discovered through this process many relevant facts and figures about the diocese, such as the number of parishes that had parish councils.
When the group finally met with Bishop Tobin and informed him–with complete accuracy--of the number of parishes with councils and those without, he was surprised and expressed his determination then and there to see to it that all parishes within the diocese would have such councils.
These are relatively small steps, I know, but consider the alternative. It means following the example set by President Bush and refusing to do business with those who are simply written off as part of some “axis of evil.â€
I know all too well the pitfalls. Anyone who is familiar with my spoken and written record over the course of many years knows that I have not always thrown rose petals at the feet of the hierarchy. On the contrary, I have said and written many times over that the most serious deficiency of the late pope’s long, twenty-six-and-a-half-year pontificate was the generally poor quality of men he appointed to the hierarchy and then promoted within it.
I can think of one archbishop many, many miles west of here, who has been praised by the local Voice of the Faithful leadership for his willingness, unlike that of his predecessor, to meet with them and to discuss matters of common concern in a friendly and mutually respectful manner.
On the other hand, one woman met recently with the same archbishop and expressed her concern about the precipitous decline in ordinations to the priesthood, and wondered aloud why the Roman Catholic Church insists on maintaining the requirement of celibacy for its priests. So many young men, she said to the archbishop, have told her that they would consider studying for the priesthood if it were not for the obligation of life-long celibacy.
His reply was groan-inducing. The decline in vocations to the priesthood, he said, is due to mothers who no longer encourage their “materialistic†sons to consider the priesthood. But as in so many of these voiced opinions, the begged-question is ignored: why do mothers no longer encourage their sons, as they did in past decades, to consider the priesthood?
It is because the image of the priesthood has changed drastically in recent years, and the sexual-abuse crisis has contributed mightily, and in a severely negative way, to the change. Those of you who will attend the breakout session on the “Priesthood in Crisis†tomorrow afternoon here in the Ballroom, will have an opportunity to hear the most experienced, competent, and balanced voice on this issue.
Father Donald Cozzens, former vicar for clergy and religious and former president-rector of the major seminary in the diocese of Cleveland and currently at John Carroll University in Cleveland, has written some of the best books on this crucially important subject. They include The Spirituality of the Diocesan Priest, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Faith That Dares to Speak, Sacred Silence (sub-titled Denial and the Crisis in the Church) and, most recently, the best book I have read on the celibacy question, Freeing Celibacy. All five books are published by The Liturgical Press in Collegeville, Minnesota.
In the meantime, we need to keep hope alive, as the Reverend Jesse Jackson is wont to say. Hope, yes, but also imagination. Almost three years ago I did an end-of-the-year column with tongue prominently in cheek, in which I tried to imagine some unimaginably good things happening in the Catholic Church during following year of 2005. Keep in mind, Pope John Paul II was still in office, but with only a few months left on this earth.
“In 2005,†I wrote as my first imaginary item, “the founder of Voice of the Faithful, Dr. James Muller, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, a cardiologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, and an alumnus of the University of Notre Dame, will be named a Knight of St. Gregory, and the organization he founded in 2002 in response to the terrible sexual-abuse crisis will be given an unprecedented letter of commendation by the pope, along with a clear warning to bishops not to prohibit Voice of the Faithful from using church facilities to hold its meetings and other events.â€
My second item: “Father Thomas Doyle, O.P., who has become one of the most visible champions of victims and survivors of sexual abuse at the hands of priests, will be formally reinstated as a military chaplain and then appointed as Archbishop of the Military Services Archdiocese.â€
A third item: “The pope will ask for the resignations of several bishops who, like Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston, had covered up instances of sexual abuse by their priests and placed other children and young people in harm’s way by keeping such priests in active ministry and transferring them from one pastoral assignment to another.â€
And finally: “The pope will also acknowledge that, while obligatory celibacy is not the cause of sexual abuse by priests, it is a significant factor nonetheless. He will establish an international commission to study the matter, to be chaired by Cardinal Carlo Martini, retired archbishop of Milan.â€
Keep hope alive, and your imaginations with it! And never forget the words of St. Paul in his First Letter to the Corinthians: “I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the growth. Therefore, neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God who causes the growth†(1 Cor 3:6-7).
On Dating the New Testament
A letter from one of my Internet readers, Max Rippeto, asked how New Testament scholars went about the task of dating the books of the New Testament. It was such a good question and touched so many issues that others among my readers raise, that I decided to base my entire column this week on Max's letter. The Bible did not drop from heaven fully written. It was created over a period of about a thousand years. It was not originally divided into chapters and verses. Those were imposed on it relatively late in Christian history. It was not written in King James English. The Hebrew Scriptures were written in Hebrew; the Christian Scriptures in Greek. Yet in public discourse today, one hears a literal, dropped from heaven view of the Bible from a number of people, including television evangelists and other fundamentalists, all of whom seem blissfully unaware of the critical biblical scholarship that is now almost 200 years old. We need to recognize that the repetition of ignorance does not turn it into truth.
I recall, years ago while on a book tour, I made a guest appearance on a late night talk show hosted by Tom Snyder in Burbank, California. In this interview the dating of the books of the New Testament came up. In response to Tom's question I stated that all of Paul's works were written between 50 and 64 C.E. and that the gospels were written between 70 and 100 C. E. Tom had no problem with the dating of Paul, but about the dating of the gospels he was incredulous and said: "Wait a minute, Bishop. I just got out my short pencil and began to figure. The disciples of Jesus would have been too old to write these gospels at those dates." I responded, "That's right Tom, not a single one of the gospels was written by eyewitnesses." Astonished, he went on to explain that in parochial school, the nuns had taught him that the disciples followed Jesus around, writing down everything he said. That was how, they said, we got the gospels. It had never occurred to him before to question this "authoritative" conclusion. "Tom," I said, "did the nuns also tell you that the disciples used ball point pens and spiral notebooks!" He had never thought of that either. It is hard for modern people to realize that in the first century very few could either read or write. Parchment was very expensive and ink was a dye into which a quill pen had to be dipped. Individual people studied long to become scribes, available for hire, whenever a writing need came up. We meet these 'scribes' in the gospels.
For Tom Snyder and many others, the first step in breaking out of a literal biblical mindset is to understand the dating of the New Testament. Here is substantially what Max Rippeto wrote. "I was in the conservative, evangelical "Bible Church" movement for 25 years. When I came out of it about seven years ago, needless to say, my spiritual security and my black and white answers to life's questions left with me. I've been piecing my spirituality back together since. Your writing has been a major positive force on this journey.
"It makes so much sense that the Gospel of Mark was written first, then Matthew and Luke copied and edited it for their versions of the gospels, and that all of Paul's Epistles were written before the gospels. Many of your assertions, however, hinge on the order in which the letters were written. A Scofield Reference Bible states dates different from the dates I've seen in your writings. Can you comment on why your dates and their dates are not the same?"
To his letter Max appended the list of dates that the Scofield Bible had assigned to the books of the New Testament. They were way off target especially on the gospels and the book of Acts. Beside the Scofield list I have placed the consensus advocated by most creditable New Testament scholars for your immediate comparison. The range represents the continuing debate.
Scofield List and dates Contemporary Scholar's List and dates
Matthew 50 Matthew 82-85
Mark 68 Mark 70-75
Luke 60 Luke 88-93
John 85-90 John 95-100
Acts 60 Acts 95-100
Romans 57-58 Romans 56-58
I Corinthians 56 I Corinthians 54-57
II Corinthians 57 II Corinthians 54-57
Galatians 49 or 52 Galatians 50-52
Ephesians 60 Ephesians 65-70
Philippians 60 Philippians 62
Colossians 60 Colossians 64-68
I Thessalonians 51 I Thessalonians 51-52
II Thessalonians 51 II Thessalonians 53-54
1 Timothy 64 I Timothy 90-100
II Timothy 67 II Timothy 90-100
Titus 65 Titus 90-110
Philemon 60 Philemon 60-62
Hebrews 68 Hebrews 75-85
James 45-50 James 80-90
1 Peter 65 I Peter 60-70
II Peter 66 II Peter 100-135
I John 90-95 I John 95-110
II John 90-95 II John 95-110
III John 90-95 III John 100-110
Jude 68 Jude 90-100
Revelations 95 Revelation 94-98
Scholarship is a never-ending process. Medical knowledge today is quite different from what it was in 1910 when the Scofield Bible was first published. So is the knowledge of such things as the Internet, computers, telecommunications and a host of other things. Similarly biblical knowledge is mushrooming.
I read the Scofield Bible when I was a child. It was popular in my evangelical church. Its commentaries are oriented toward a fundamentalist and literal interpretation of the scriptures. In the service of that agenda there is always a predisposition to prove that those scriptures you think are literal, had to be written by eyewitnesses. So the tendency was to date them as early as possible. The Scofield dates for the gospels assume the primacy of Matthew. In the days before critical biblical scholarship came of age, that theory was assumed solely on the fact that it was first in the New Testament. Mark was thought of as a kind of "Readers Digest" version of Matthew. No reputable scholar today thinks that Matthew was written prior to Mark. Matthew used Mark extensively in the composition of his gospel, sometimes copying it verbatim. Luke also copied Mark, but much more loosely. Some scholars also believe that Luke knew of Matthew's work, but that is a still debated minority opinion. The dating of Luke well after Matthew, however, is generally agreed. Occasionally, you will get a person who tries to assert an early date for John. My great mentor, John A. T. Robinson, did that in a book entitled: The Primacy of John, published just prior to his death in 1983. No one in the academic world of New Testament scholars, however, saluted Robinson's thesis and it won few disciples. I am amused when evangelicals and fundamentalists, who disagreed with everything John Robinson ever wrote other than this, cite him as their authority for the early dating of John.
There are some datable events that scholars can and do use to locate the books of the New Testament in history. First, the city of Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 C.E. For the Jews, this was a searing moment that changed Jewish consciousness in a way that 9/11 changed the consciousness of Americans. Wherever, therefore, we find a reference that seems to assume that event, we have to date that book after 70. There are references in all four gospels that appear to give evidence of that catastrophe, and most scholars today put Mark after 70. Since Matthew and Luke are both dependent on Mark, the dates for the second and third gospels must be even later, Matthew in the mid-eighties and Luke in the late eighties or early nineties.
Second, scholars know a great deal about the debates that raged in the early years of Christian history and the time at which they were solved. They also know how and when complex ecclesiastical structures were formed. So when a book of the Bible reveals a calmness where once there was a raging debate or when scholars see structures that were not present in early church history, these things become factors in the dating process.
The death of Paul is another datable event that we can set with confidence around the year 64 C.E, since he appears to have been executed by Nero in that year. The fact that Paul's death is not mentioned in Acts, is the primary reason that fundamentalists cling to an early date for this book, an idea dismissed today in scholarly circles as profoundly wrong. Everything about the book of Acts, including its assumption that the early debates are settled and its highly organized church life, points to a date near the end of the first century. It also parallels the careers of Stephen, Peter and Paul with the gospel portrait of Jesus, again revealing that Acts was written well after at least the synoptic gospels. Professor Burton Mack of the Claremont Theological Seminary faculty actually proposed a date for Acts in the mid-second century.
Paul's death is also a factor in defining which of the letters attributed to Paul, were actually written by him. The genuine letters have to have been composed between the years 50-64. I Thessalonians and Galatians are thought to be first and second in the Pauline corpus, along with I and II Corinthians which seem to be a compilation of at least four letters to the Corinthian church. Romans, dated in the late 50's, is Paul's most systematic letter, but even here there is a debate about the authenticity of Chapter 16. II Thessalonians, Philemon and Philippians also appear to be Pauline.
Scholars debate whether Paul wrote Colossians, but the majority now says no. Almost all scholars dismiss Ephesians as well as I and II Timothy and Titus as Pauline. It would probably be easier to prove that you or I wrote Hebrews than to prove that Paul wrote it. The Epistles attributed to Peter, John, James and Jude were not written by disciples. II Peter is dated as late as 135 C.E. The same person, or at least the same community, that wrote John's gospel wrote the three Epistles of John and Revelation, which was written during a persecution in the mid 90's.
Dating the New Testament is an exciting process. The Christian story grew dramatically from Paul in the fifties to the end of the century when the New Testament was substantially complete. I hope this sweeping survey helps Max and others to read the Bible more intelligently.
Question and Answer
With John Shelby Spong
Jan Tait from Penrith, New South Wales, Australia, writes:
I receive your weekly newsletter and look forward to it very much. I have read several of your books also and agree with most of your insights and concepts. I also watched your interview with Geraldine Doogue on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Television Station when you were out several years ago.
The question is this: You say that you still spend a lot of time praying but to whom do you pray? "The Ground of Being" as you refer to God seems very impersonal and I find it difficult to let go of the "father" image I was raised with in an evangelical church in the 60's. How does a "Ground of Being" actually care about me and my family? Intellectually I know that God really couldn't care less about insignificant me here on planet Earth (example Tsunami victims, hurricane victims, famines, fires, etc.) yet I WANT to believe that SOMETHING or SOMEONE does - or else what is the point of being born, struggling through a crappy life and then dying and going to nothing? I find I struggle with "what is the point of it all" on a daily basis. I know that you say living life to the fullest is what it's all about - but if there's no point to it all then why bother caring about anything and living life to the fullest when it is all for nothing in the end? I know life is for living in the now - but I can't enjoy it if I know there's nothing at the end of it and all my relatives that I love so much are going nowhere and I will never see them again. It is all too sad. The childish part of me still wants "someone" in authority to care about me and my family. I guess that I really do still want my God to care about me and "watch out" for me but I know wanting God to care is childish rubbish and all the concepts that go along with traditional Christianity.
Can you help me with some of these questions - especially to whom do you pray and do you ask for help and love from him/it?
Dear Jan,
I suppose that it is almost universal for human beings, who have the ability to embrace the vastness of the universe and to ask questions about life's meaning, to yearn for a protective, supernatural heavenly parent figure, who watches over us and is the source of that meaning. That sense probably comes from our childhoods when parents seemed invincible and able to fix anything or to manage any crisis.
The problem with that yearning for God to play that role as you point out is twofold. First, it does not work. Tsunamis do roll over the world with no sense of the trauma it inflicts on its victims and with no one protecting even little children. People die in warfare despite the fervent prayers of both the military personnel and their parents. Second, this yearning keeps us in a delusional state of perpetual childhood where we can pretend that we do not have to take care of ourselves. Delusions can be pleasant but they are not life giving.
The interesting issue you raise is that you assume that if there is no supernatural parent figure deity in the sky then there is no reason to pray and no purpose in life. If there is no life after death, the purpose for God disappears. In these ideas you are suggesting that if your definition of God is not true, there is no God!
Let me seek to unravel some of that by quoting a Greek philosopher, Xenophanes, who said, "If horses had gods, they would look like horses." Have you taken time to examine how much your image of God looks like a very big, all powerful human being? I doubt if it will ever be otherwise for human beings cannot think outside their human experience. A horse cannot ever know what it means to be human. A human being cannot ever know what it means to be God. Yet human beings constantly tell other human beings who God is and how God acts. Therefore, step number one is to admit that you do not know.
That does not mean that horses cannot experience human beings in their lives or that human beings cannot experience that which we call God in our lives. It does mean that the desire to be deluded does give rise to delusion. But is the human brain the ultimate reality? Or is there a sense of otherness? Of transcendence? Of the fullness of life? Of the power of love? Of the Ground of Being? Can consciousness be expanded? Boundaries broken? Humanity know transformation? Is this a God moment? Are these the imprints of the holy 'other' coming into our limited understanding?
We have no God language so words become terribly inept in making sense out of this experience. That is why almost every religious pilgrimage winds up in mysticism. Prayer is the conscious attempt to enter the transcendent moment. It is not an adult letter addressed to a divine Santa Claus.
That is what I mean by prayer. Does it work? That is not for me to say. Does love surround those for whom you are concerned? Does love assist healing? Expand life? Is love the presence of God within us loosed by one to surround another? Do plants grow better if we talk to them? Is the universe a living, throbbing, mystical God-infused place? Is God a being among many or the ground of all that is? Was Jesus perceived as an incarnation of an external supernatural God or was he so whole, so at one, that people saw the source of life and love and, therefore, God flowing through him?
Those are the questions I would raise. God is real to me but not definable, only "experiencible." However, that is what gives every moment of life both its depth and its ultimate meaning. Life is a tremendous and wonderful adventure that touches eternity time after time. The idea that something you call meaningless now would become meaningful by being extended beyond death is a strange idea to me. I believe in life after death because I touch eternity and meaning now. That is enough for me.